Fritzy- there are many organs or bones in our body many in the medical community wonder why if at all we need them and when they cause havoc and can result in serious health complications most suggest remove them to eliminate any health issues. Wisdom teeth, tonsiles, gallbladder, and appendix. i do not have a gallbladder and do not have diarrhea.....
02 Feb 20 by member: crazycatchick
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I believe you are on the right path by being aware of the fat (lipids) and cholesterol intake as it effects the liver. The gallbladder collects the stones from the liver so the rest of the digestive system is not overwhelmed. The gallbladder is important as it helps regulate what the body needs much like how the body stored fat for a later time when it might need it. However if you continue to have attacks then your gallbladder is to full and your body is not consuming what it has stored. This relates to your intake of more lipids (fat) and cholesterol. Tge amount of protein in your daily intake is not that important as it is all relative. If one cuts down there caloroes then the physical body adapts size wiseman's same with protein. If you start to develop protein issues then it will take a long time as your muscles will break down but this will take a long time. Of your gallbladder is full and of you are overweight then this will most likely take a very long time. Many months of you still eat food. Try listening to the Douglas Graham lectures I sent you and see if what he says rings true. It is what your body was designed to do and the most cost effectove.
02 Feb 20 by member: chris9753
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Sorry to hear about these pains Fritzy. Hope you have a good day
03 Feb 20 by member: liv001
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Thanks Crazycatchick - I really would like to NOT to need surgery. I've never had any kind of surgery and worry about it. Thanks Liv - I'm thinking if I could stick to a vegan plan like I did for 21 days that I wouldn't have any of the pains. It's funny that even though I know how I should eat, it isn't easy for me to stick to it. Maybe I need to think about the pain before I eat anything. Chris - I've had weak thigh muscles for about 10 years now. I think my diet has always been low in protein. For years I could come home from work and just have tea and toast for dinner.
03 Feb 20 by member: Fritzy 22
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You most likely have weak thigh muscles but cause of lack of use not protein deficiency. Like I said protein deficiency is non existent in the USA and most countries. Muscle mass goes and drinks because of a thing called "use it or loose it". If you do not use muscles then they shrink. If you want to gain muscles then you pump them by causing micro tears in the muscles and then the body over compensates in its rebuild (recovery) thus growing more muscle. Here is literally some food for thought. The medical industry has not come up with a pill or injection that grows muscle, nor is there an ideal food like more protein, if there were then body builders would be in the kitchen instead of the gym. Even steroid body builders have to use the gym to grow muscle. If you had a protein deficiency it would most likely be seen all over your body not in one particular muscle. If you want to strengthen that weak muscle then first find out what that weak muscle is and then focus on exercise to build it u (pump it up).
03 Feb 20 by member: chris9753
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Chris - I went to the doctor about 10 years ago when I was unable to get up from the floor without holding onto something to pull myself up. I was diagnosed at that time with Graves Disease. I think that may have caused the weakness. I used to hike a lot near Tahoe when I was in shape and even though I had no problems with my legs as far as hiking up mountains, I still needed help getting up if sitting on the ground. They seem to be getting a little stronger in the past few months. I track my food in order to see how much protein I get every day. Not sure what you consider is an acceptable amount of protein daily. But I don't see how getting only 20 grams a day would be okay long term. That's about the average amount of protein I got while doing the Daniel fast.
03 Feb 20 by member: Fritzy 22
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This response is in regards to your statement about being vegan past 21 days. It takes about 90 days to break a habit. For me It took me three attempts to go vegan. First i was inspired by that movie i told you/sent you in that email called "fat sick and nearly dead" I did that for almost 30 days but had a difficult time relating to family when it came to dinner as I didnt know of any other vegan dishes to make and the temptation over took me back then. However since then I found many vegan cook books and eventually found food I like. This is the key in the begging to find what you like. In that private message I sent you a lot of references, videos, audio lectures and books. I suggest if you are truely interested to fully immersed in the lifestyle and make it a lifestyle not a diet. There are so many vegan resturants too these days and that really helps. Start slow, remove all meat, cheese and milk from lifestyle. If you have to use the fake meats like seitan and tofu. You can make seitan in 10 minutes or less and it can taste just like meat of you do it correctly.
03 Feb 20 by member: chris9753
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Also a pressure cooker or instant pot will help you a lot for all the legumes. Chickpea was what helped me get off meats. With the insta pot or pressure cooker you can cook rice, beans , lentils and so much more. Your taste buds will change around 90 days and then it is about the flavors of the food more then health. This is the area you should be aware of and look forward to. Once you get there then you will look around and see nothing but meat and French fries being served at 98% of the resturants. When you go to the grocery store look around you. What do the people look like in each area? In the meat section they are almost always fat. Same with the frozen food section. Stick to the dry goods and fresh foods. If you find yourself around fat and unhealthy people then become aware of it and move away from them. You are a product of the environment.Spring is coming and seasonal fruit and vegetables are coming. This is something to look forward to as well. Also limit the radio and TV you watch as that is nothing but advertising for food that makes you sick with some scary tactics mixed in.
03 Feb 20 by member: chris9753
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I agree with the it takes more than 30 days. I did whole30 and had no change.
03 Feb 20 by member: Sweet Georgia Peaches
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Chris is right, at least from all the stuff I've read on protein. We really don't need that much protein. 30 gm p/day is usually plenty for typical people. Protein plays a role in muscle mass, so athletes, especially body builders, usually take in more than that, but most people are fine on 30 gm p/day.
03 Feb 20 by member: rgaDawg
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Fritzy, I really apologize for confusing you with Fullabella! I'm not sure why that "bug" sticks in my head.
03 Feb 20 by member: Miraculum
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It's true that there are different responses to GB removal. My attacks would always hit after dinner and continue throughout the night. It was such a relief to not have to worry about them after the surgery. It's important to have every bit of information and to be able to trust your doctor. Hoping for the best for you, Fritzy!
03 Feb 20 by member: Miraculum
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I'm so sorry you are still having a rough time. I hope you are feeling better and the stuff you are eating is working out for you. I'll pray you have wisdom to know what to do. ❤️
04 Feb 20 by member: melissatwa
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rgaDawg and Chris - you both sound a lot like my doctor. He tells me not to worry so much about protein, that I can get enough from the plants I eat. I try to tell him I don't like plants so much. But gradually I am increasing the amount of non processed foods I eat. Mira - did you have any tests before having the gallbladder removed? I don't want to have surgery based only on an ultrasound that shows I have gallstones. I'm just wondering if there are other tests that can be done. All the lab tests run that indicate issues or non issues with the liver and pancreas are all normal. And I don't have any other symptoms of gallstones other than pain. No nausea or diarrhea. I asked my doctor if I needed to see a specialist and he said no. Melissa - I feel fine as long as I eat like a vegan, and skim milk with my hot chocolate mix is okay as well. It's funny, my cats love a little warm half and half and sometimes get diarrhea. They can't figure out cause and effect. So they still want the half and half and you would think I'd be smarter since I know pretty much what causes pain. But I still don't always make the best choices! I'm felt fine yesterday and so far today at 6:40am! Grape Nuts for breakfast (without sugar on it) and a cup of hot chocolate. Thanks for your support. Everyone!
04 Feb 20 by member: Fritzy 22
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I think you should take a moment out of your life and reflect on what you say. You seek more test to confirm what you already know. Pain is caused by consuming animal products, you say this again and again but seek test to confirm the pain. Seeking more test or procedures to overcompensate ir bypass a questionable (maybe even poor) lifestyle when it comes to food is just going to cause more issues in the future in other places. You already know that you were given a gallbladder for a reason so take care of it and the rest of the body and you will do great. Listen to your body and stop watching advertising that sell unhealthy products. If someone is near death from lung cancer and continues to smoke cigarettes while on oxygen do you feel sorry for them? Now relate this concept to yourself. Looking for an alternative is just plane foolish and you know it...when are you going to listen to your body? When are you going to ... WAKE UP? Be an adult and stop eating food that you would not even feed a bay. WAKE UP!!!
04 Feb 20 by member: chris9753
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Chris, I know what causes the pain. But I hope to avoid surgery. So what I am seeking is more information about the condition of the gallbladder itself. I've heard that there can be infections, or swelling and other problems that would require the gallbladder be removed to prevent a life threatening event happening. I just want to know more than "the ultra sound shows gallstones". Most people have gallstones and very few ever get the pain. And I've been experiencing mild pain even after eating healthy food. Don't understand why you are so upset. This is my learning journey.
04 Feb 20 by member: Fritzy 22
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1gm of protein per kg body weight is a good general guideline for people who are not serious athletes. That’s a 1/2 gram per pound for metrically challenged folks. At 112lb I try for 60 grams a day.
04 Feb 20 by member: Kenna Morton
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Watch out for what you seek because odds are you will find it. This is why I do not got to doctors that have the first things that come out of their mouth is "so what is the problem?" Because they always find the problem and hardly every find the solution. Infections are a product of the environment. If the environment inside is optimal for health then infections do not exist. Furthermore the infections you are seeking are seen by inflammatory responses. Swelling so if the ultrasound and other images are showing good conditions then there is little chance of infection which further causes inflammation. Create the environment of good health and you will be fine. Excuses just prolong things and examples of lack of motivation or the underlying condition of not caring. It's really that simple.
04 Feb 20 by member: chris9753
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Chris, you are getting very aggressive. You need to calm down. Fritzy is an adult with a good mind and she is working to make good choices. She did not ask you to scold her like a child. You have said your bit now back off.
Sorry, Fritzy, if this is overstepping of me. I adore you, and this is too much in my opinion. Pleaser delete this if you feel uncomfortable with what I said. I will not be at all offended, but I am offended by advice turning to belittling words.
04 Feb 20 by member: melissatwa
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Kenna - I've always seen when I research online .36 grams per pound of body weight. So using my goal weight of around 135 I would need 48-50 grams of protein. But my doctor always says 30-40 grams is plenty and not to worry so much about protein for muscles. He says if I had to chop down trees every day then I'd need more protein. Thanks for the support Melissa!
04 Feb 20 by member: Fritzy 22
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